From September 2019 through March 2020, each of the 45 presbyteries in the Presbyterian Church in Canada voted on the two remits concerning same-sex marriage and ordination. A majority of the 45 presbyteries approved, and that majority consists of at least half of the combined total of the constituent members on the rolls of presbyteries, so the remits will go to the next General Assembly, expected in 2021, which is free to vote “Yes” or “No”. The dates, results, and numbers below were supplied to us by members of the courts. Numbers in the “Roll” column are approximate, not official.
|Summary||Remit B Vote||Remit B Roll||Remit C Vote||Remit C Roll|
|Remit B||Remit C||Roll|
|1||Cape Breton||Nov 26||Approve||Approve||20|
|5||New Brunswick||Nov 27||Approve||Approve|
|11||Lanark and Renfrew||Nov 19||Disapprove||Approve||23|
|15||East Toronto||Jan 7||Approve||Approve||63|
|16||West Toronto||Feb 11||Approve||Approve||37|
|18||Oak Ridges||Feb 25||Disapprove||Disapprove||45|
|21||Algoma North Bay||Nov 19||Disapprove||Disapprove||8|
|23||Eastern Han-Ca||Nov 12||Disapprove||Disapprove||38|
|29||Lambton-West Middlesex||Jan 15||Disapprove||Disapprove||21|
|37||Peace River||Sept 7||Disapprove||Disapprove||5|
|39||Central Alberta||Mar 19||Approve||Approve|
|44||Vancouver Island||Jan 28||Approve||Disapprove||21|
|45||Western Han-Ca||Nov 19||Disapprove||Disapprove||38|
“The fear of the Lord is the beginning of the knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline” Proverbs 1:7 (NIV) We believe in an awesome God, no matter the way we consider the remits but it matters the way we revere Him knowing that He is the loving as well as the jealous God. Remember, Jesus expelled the merchants and money changers from the temple, accusing them of turning the “House of the Lord” into “a den of thieves” through their commercial activities. This is an example of God’s wrath, but to show His love, God did not spare to give His only begotten Son to save the sinner. My appeal to the PCC leaders would be to do your diligence before it’s too late to avoid split in the Church by keeping the Word of God in the first place. Be mindful that ultimately we are accountable to God whose characteristics are abundant in love and slow in anger.
Here’s a question about the process. The ‘majority’ needed (to approve/disapprove) of a proposed change in church law is 66% or greater (not a simple, 50% +1 majority). Should the ‘majority’ of those on rolls of all 45 presbyteries (on the date each presbytery voted) not also be 66% or greater (not a simple, 50% +1 majority)? Also, the number of individuals who voted in each presbytery should be the number reported in your tabulation; for instance, if a larger presbytery has voted on a day when little more than a quorum, of those on the roll, was present, no matter which way the vote went, reporting the total number of people on the roll exerts undue influence on the total results, especially when there are several larger presbyteries contributing to the effect.
Robert, thanks for your input. The remits were submitted for consideration under the Barrier Act, which requires 50% of presbyteries to approve, so long as the total number of presbyters on the combined rolls at the time of each vote add up to at least 50%. The two-thirds to which you refer is in regard to a Declaratory Act or an Interim Act, see BF sections 48.1 and 293.2. As for your comment on “undue influence,” we take no position on that. This is the process. I would suggest you take that comment to General Assembly via a lower court petition. In Christ.
It appears the Bible is becoming meaningless yet is still used for preaching and to swear on to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Sermons choose certain passages and avoid what modern society doesn’t want to hear, ministers express their opinion but the congregations do not hear opposing views.
Which ever side you are on, concerning remits B and C, which are contradictory, both sides cannot be true. God, nor His word are contradictory. One side or the other is forsaking truth for a lie. I fear that the PCC is following in the footsteps of Israel at the time of the Judges. The PCC has dethroned the KING and is doing what is right in their own eyes.
Let us all recall what Paul wrote many years ago:
“As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain people not to teach false doctrines any longer or to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. Such things promote controversial speculations rather than advancing God’s work—which is by faith. The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. Some have departed from these and have turned to meaningless talk. They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
Timothy, my son, I am giving you this command in keeping with the prophecies once made about you, so that by recalling them you may fight the battle well, holding on to faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and so have suffered shipwreck with regard to the faith.” – 1 Tim. 1:3-6; 18.19
We will not bow to the gods of man .. so ..
CHOOSE this day whom you will serve.
Thanks – This is much appreciated.