Why I cannot vote in favour of these remits

Remarks prepared by Rev. Joel Coppieters to the Presbytery of Montreal, October 15, 2019

I cannot vote in favour of these remits for biblical reasons. I echo the report the PCC’s own Church Doctrine Committee presented to the 2018 General Assembly, that after years of study we have not seen sufficient biblical grounds to abandon the longstanding Christian understanding of marriage as being between one man and one woman.

I cannot vote in favour of these remits for theological reasons because my ordination vows included a pledge to uphold not only the Scriptures, at least two historic subordinate standards which these remits contradict.

I cannot vote in favour of these remits for ecclesial reasons. They would isolate the PCC from the overwhelming majority of global Christianity, excluding us from a wide fellowship of the church with whom we have always worked in moving forward the mission of God forward.

I cannot vote in favour of these remits for fear of the reprisals that will come. While the language of the remits themselves promise freedom of conscience and practice, several other clear written communications from the clerks of assembly have already defined that freedom in ways that are hostile and unworkable to those who hold traditional views.

I cannot vote in favour of these remits because while they speak the language of inclusion, they will in fact exclude my Christian brothers and sisters from dozens of countries around the world who are already part of the fellowship of our congregation.

I cannot vote in favour of these remits because I believe that the love of God not only includes and welcomes everyone, but that it also extends an invitation to a broken world, an offer of redemption and of recreation to a holy standard that our Creator has set with our best interests at heart. For me to proclaim any less would be to fail in my call as a minister of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Presbytery of Eastern Han-Ca Statement on the Remits

(This document can be downloaded)

I. Recommendation

The recommendation to the congregations in our Presbytery is that they vote “No” to the remits handed down by GA 2019. The following are both the rationales for a “No” vote, and the implications of a “Yes” vote should the remits pass.

II. Rationales and Implications

A. An Introduced Definition of Marriage in Contradiction to Scripture

Should the remits pass an alternative definition of marriage that is in contradiction to the scriptures will be introduced. The general implication is as a result we fear being regarded as those who do not uphold to the teaching and authority of Scripture. One direct implication to our churches is the loss of our credibility to witness and do ministry amongst the various people groups, of which Koreans are just one. Han-Ca churches take very seriously the work of missions, and already we are experiencing the refusal from outside organizations to partner with our churches because of the nature of the debate we are having in our denomination over the topic of human sexuality. Another direct implication is the projected large exodus of members leaving our churches for churches that adhere to biblical teaching, which coheres with longstanding historical interpretations, rooted in our tradition and creeds. The Korean people hold our scriptures in high regard, and there are plenty of alternative churches where this can be found.

B. Two “Parallel” Definitions: Problems of Coherence and Contradiction

There is a lack of coherence, and the presence of contradiction between the current definition of marriage, “as that between a man and a woman,” with the newly introduced definition of marriage, “as that between two adult persons.” These two definitions are not in parallel. The traditional understanding of marriage is in direct contradiction to two of the three permutations of the latter definition. Both cannot possibly be true at the same time (Law of Non-Contradiction), meaning that when one definition is taught, the other definition is simultaneously being negated. Are we allowed to do this? We are concerned about both our credibility when it comes to teaching our children, and also our integrity when it comes to being an effective witness. As we teach the children of our churches our credibility needs to be supported by our denomination, for the very reasons that we already live in a cultural milieu which in many ways attempts to undermine the authority and the content of our teaching. Moreover, to have integrity, we believe that what we teach needs to be in-line with the teaching of the denomination to which we belong. When the outside is not in alignment with the inside, we cannot be authentic, and our witness will prove ineffective.

C. A Denial of Our Subordinate Standards?

This introduced, alternative definition of marriage goes against our subordinate standards, to which every Minister and Elder in the PCC affirmed in their ordination vows. The vows that we affirmed and made promise to at our ordinations once reflected the nature of the denomination to which we were entering into covenant. We fear that the PCC now no longer reflects these subordinate standards, and this made blatantly evident in the statement of the convener of the special committee formed to discuss the implications of Option B at GA 2019:

… it seems that our differences are insurmountable. In truth we differ theologically on many things; the role of scripture, the virgin birth, the resurrection, the place of children, of women and the priorities of the church. (GA 2019, 9th Sederunt: Pg.3, emphasis added)

Does this statement reflect the true nature of our current denomination? The denomination as it identifies and expresses itself today is not the same denomination to which our churches first entered into covenant with over 50 years ago—and this breaks our hearts.

D. The Trajectory Forward if the Remits Pass

The trajectory of this way forward, if the remits are passed, is one in which those who hold to the traditional view of marriage will likely lose their liberty of conscience and also their place and space in this denomination.

III. Liberty of Conscience and Liberty of Action: A Myth

The piece written by the Rev. Stephen Kendall and Rev. Don Muir (respectively, Principal Clerk and Deputy Clerk) on the topic of Liberty of Conscience and Liberty of Action in the Presbyterian Connection, Fall Issue, 2019, is a highly interpretive discussion of the topic. It is observed that there was no title given to the written piece, but perhaps an apt one would be something along the lines of “Defining the Limits of Liberty of Conscience and Liberty of Action.” The repeated emphases of specific phrases are highly suggestive of the real limits of how “Liberty of Conscience” and “Liberty of Action” will play out in our current struggle related to human sexuality in the PCC. The following is a list of such phrases in their immediate context (emphasis added):

  1. “This [liberty of conscience] does not mean we can believe whatever we want

  2. “There is a limit to our liberty of conscience, especially when it leads to what is damaging or contrary to God’s will

  3. “How can we be certain to know what is correct? While this is an individual task, it is also the task of the church … in addition to our liberty of conscience being subordinate to God, God’s will and God’s word, it should also be subordinate to ‘lawfully appointed powers, either ecclesiastical or civil.’ We understand that the church has a role in dictating, or at least guiding, our liberty of conscience…”

  4. “this liberty is intended by God as a means for us to uphold and preserve one another in the faith, not to destroy one another. This section ([WCF], XX.IV) places upon the church the obligation to put limits on practices or even opinions that might be destructive to the peace and order that Christ intends for the church.”

  5. “The guidance it [WCF] gives with respect to action is that no action should lead to division in the church, or to the destruction of peace within the church.”

Moreover, the example of women’s ordination is provided to discuss how the topics of “Liberty of Conscience” and “Liberty of Action” played out in our denominational history. With the end result in 1989 being the addition of a final Declaratory Act which states that “freedom of action regarding ordinations was removed, and freedom of conscience, while still acknowledged, is conditioned by the obligation of presbyteries to obey church law and doctrine” (emphasis added).

The following is a summary of how we understand the written piece: there are limits to Liberty of Conscience, which in end is dictated by the church. Similarly, Liberty of Action is determined not by the individual, but by the larger governing body of the church. Furthermore, Liberty of Conscience, and especially Liberty of Action, cannot be upheld if the position being advocated for works against the primary concern of upholding the peace and unity of the church. Therefore, Liberty of Conscience and Liberty of Action will NOT serve as a safeguard.

IV. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms vis-a-vis Religious Freedom

The Charter in 1982 was formed to protect the political and civil rights of individuals in Canada. In the preamble to the charter the following words are found: “Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law.” How does this statement fare in light of our current milieu and the many adjudications over controversial issues which appear to be questioning the reality of religious freedom? The following are some of the many current examples that appear to shed light on the current state of religious freedom:

  1. Government Summer Job Grants given to those who comply with their listed criteria, of which includes the matter of “sexual orientation”

  2. Human rights tribunals and the challenging of freedom of expression

  3. Quebec’s laws banning religious symbols (passed: formerly known as Bill 21) and the prohibition of face coverings (Bill 62)

  4. Trinity Western University and the Supreme Court’s denial of accreditation to become a law school because Trinity promotes “abstinence from sex outside of heterosexual marriage.”

In our day and age it is impossible to argue that religious freedom will continue unchallenged, and without serious pushback. Also what happens when the freedom of one party infringes on the freedom of another? In many cases freedom of expression predicated on religious belief or practice cannot stand up against the demands of other non-religiously related forms of freedom. Yes, currently we cannot be forced to officiate the marriages of same-sex individuals, but let us not be so naïve into thinking this will always be the case. However, what is of greater concern—especially when there is another change to the definition of marriage which excises the clause “as that between a man and a woman”—is the slow handing over of leadership and power to those in our churches who claim to adhere to this “progressive” view of marriage and sexuality.

V. Statements of the Presbytery of Eastern Han-Ca

  1. For the reasons listed above, the Presbytery of Eastern Han-Ca will be recommending a “No” vote to the 2019 GA Remits being handed down

  2. Our churches seek a safeguarded, guaranteed and permanent place in the PCC where we can continue to do ministry in this denomination in a manner which reflects the same character, identity, ethos, and core teachings that were present in this denomination when we first chose to enter into covenant with it, over 50 years ago. We desire this safeguarded, guaranteed and permanent place not only to be promised by the courts of our church, but also ratified and upheld by Canadian law.

  3. If this space cannot be provided, congregations in the Presbytery of Eastern Han-Ca will be forced to seek next steps into finding a place where we can be faithful to our gospel call.

  4. Congregations in the Presbytery of Eastern Han-Ca will continue to do faithful ministry, unabatedly, here at home in Canada, as well as abroad in the world. We will continue to love everyone, especially those belonging to the LGBTQI+ community. We will open our doors to all who want to know Christ. And we will call all towards holy living as indicated in our scriptures.

A Place To Stand

A gathering hosted by the Presbytery of Eastern Han-Ca at Vaughan Community Church, Thornhill, Ontario, on Saturday, Sept. 28, 2019.

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Watch it!
You can find the videos on the VCC EM Facebook page:
facebook.com/pg/vaughanccem/videos

Fortunately we also have a recording of the event, which we have made available on the Presbytery of Eastern Han-Ca Youtube page:
youtube.com/channel/UC8Vz4LqU4AWNW1g1tiP4VSw

Conference Achievements and Next Steps
The Presbytery of Eastern Han-Ca has put out a written statement wherein we state some of the perceived achievements of the conference, and also most importantly outline some next definitive steps. A special committee was formed immediately after the conference specifically charged with providing leadership to navigate the issue of human sexuality vis-a-vis our presbytery, denomination, and other traditional individuals, groups, churches, presbyteries… who wish to work together as one, united group.

Thank You!
Rev. Jonathan Hong
organizer

Share the Pain

This blog represents the thoughts of the author. While they may reflect the theological position of The Renewal Fellowship, they should not be seen as an official statement.

CLARIFICATION: Rev. Ian Ross-McDonald’s comment was a reflection of the testimony he heard at that one particular gathering. It was not intended as a summation of what he has heard generally throughout the PCC on this issue.

The court rendered its decision.

Before sentencing, the victims were allowed to speak. One by one, they opened their hearts and bared their souls, sharing how the decision had impacted them.

Many prepared carefully-worded statements. A few were off the cuff. All were spoken from the heart and testified to something which had changed their lives – and the lives of those around them – forever. There was anger, sadness, tears, emotion.

Their words were piercing.

“I don’t judge you. Only God can.”

“The pain is deep. It causes restless nights.”

“Saddened, disheartened, bitter, fearful.”

“I feel betrayed.”

“Ashamed.”

“I’m troubled in heart and soul.”

The court, in this case, is General Assembly. The victims are those who adhere to Christian orthodoxy shared by the vast majority of believers around the world – and throughout history.

The offense: the actions of commissioners to GA in approving Pathway “B” (inclusion) and Remits “B” and “C”, which propose to recognize same-sex marriage and the ordination and call/election of teaching and ruling elders in same-sex marriages.

It’s just the latest and most painful blow in The Presbyterian Church in Canada’s liberal theological drift. It’s the collective actions of elders and ministers who have turned from the whole Word of God and thousands of years of faithful tradition. It’s the selective reading of Scripture. It’s the interpretation of God’s Word through the eyes of humankind rather than God.

The victims’ testimony was delivered by members of two Moncton-area congregations on Sept. 22 in response to GA’s motion “That as a matter of urgency, the Life and Mission Agency (LMA) provide a means for those affected by this decision to express their concerns, views and pain in a safe environment, and that these concerns be reported back to the 2020 General Assembly before the report on remits is received and its recommendations considered.”

The comparison to victim-impact statements is not an overstatement. I’ve had the privilege of witnessing them in a secular court.

The concerns were raw and powerful.

“The irony is the arrogance of it,” one elder testified. “General Assembly said ‘no’ to the Doctrine of Discovery [the medieval mindset that European monarchs used to justify their subjugation of Indigenous peoples and conquered nations in colonial times] yet we’re not listening to Koreans and Africans” in the PCC who are remaining faithful to orthodoxy – along with the vast majority of Christian believers in Asia, Africa and South America, where the church is growing.

Several who were present at recent Assemblies commented on the worship and settings, which felt slanted towards inclusion. Changing the agenda and “allowing the Rainbow Communion to talk first” at 2019 Assembly, said one. Said another, “opening worship of Assembly in a church with a Rainbow flag for everyone to see.” And worship messages that sounded more political than prophetic.

“False teachers are tearing the PCC apart. We’re paying more attention to what people say rather than the Bible.”

Most powerful were the words spoken by the youngest people present – those who are more in touch with secular culture than most of us. They’re offended by the submission of the church to secular thinking.

“I’m a Millennial,” said a young mother. “Jesus was not culturally popular. He was not concerned about what people thought. He was rejected. We may be rejected if that’s what it takes. I will take up my cross.”

“We’ve become absorbed into the culture instead of being seen as different,” said a younger man. “I have homosexual coworkers, bosses and friends. They respect me because I don’t compromise on truth.”

Said another: “You’re taking our church’s energy away from our mission to the world.”

Patiently listening was the LMA’s General Secretary, the Rev. Ian Ross-McDonald, who is travelling the country to hear to the concerns first hand.

“I’m very conscious of the pain I’ve heard,” he told the meeting at Riverview Bethel. “I’m very conscious of the ministers not upholding the doctrines we have. … I’ve heard a sense of the unfairness in the process.”

He will continue to listen to testimony until the February 15th deadline, either in person or through online technology.

Let’s make use of this opportunity.

Pray for more congregations to speak up. Pray for individuals to do the same – submissions can be filed by mail or email. Go to Presbyterian.ca/feedback. Or write to 50 Wynford Dr., Toronto, Ontario, M3C 1J7. Or call 416-441-1111.

Pray for the Life and Mission Agency as it meets in November and chooses the ad hoc committee that will sort through the statements and prepare a report to 2020 General Assembly.

Pray that this committee will be led by the Holy Spirit to take action. While the intent of the exercise is to listen and report – “echo” is how Ross-McDonald describes it – the LMA chief doesn’t rule out recommendations.

It’s an audacious prayer. But what’s the harm.

Remarks to “A Place to Stand”

“A Place to Stand” was a gathering organized by the Presbytery of Eastern Han Ca in Vaughan Community Church, Thornhill, Ontario, September 28, 2019

Dear friends,

Since the early 1980s, The Renewal Fellowship has striven to be a voice of encouragement to those who stand for orthodoxy. Our vision has been the renewal of the Presbyterian Church in Canada by adhering to authentic Reformed hermeneutic, Spirit-led prayer and effective Gospel witness.

That dream remains – even though some tell us we need to shake the dust off our sandals and move on.

Until such time that the PCC no longer officially tolerates orthodoxy, we remain steadfast to our vision.

That’s why Renewal took the unprecedented step of issuing a formal statement against Remits “B” and “C”. As time and finances permit, we are traveling east and west to encourage authentic Biblical thinking, powerful Spirit-led prayer and effective Gospel witness.

Bottom line: we are not going away.

In the months to come, we will continue to speak through newsletters, blogs, personal appearances, phone conversations, and email. The most powerful weapon we have is prayer, and to that end, we are setting up new prayer groups across the country in addition to the two we already support. As of today, we have added another 11. Talk with me if you are interested in joining one or starting one.

What is encouraging to me in my travels and conversations is the sincere, Holy Spirit-fueled passion for the Christ-centred church, and the condemnation of the human-centred church that we are becoming in too many places. It’s so encouraging to witness congregations, elders, and ministers who are truly alive in Christ, as they rise to the occasion and speak passionately about a church that puts Christ at the centre. Our current challenge is to work in unity; as the Atlantic Canada statement says, to row in the same direction.

We are committed to getting in the same boat as the rest of you and – with the help of the Holy Spirit – moving together in one direction.

Rev. Andy Cornell
Executive director

Extending Space or Drawing a Line?

Please find below some thoughts on the remits and the decision to embrace Pathway B at the 145th General Assembly. I am presenting them on behalf of the writer, whom I’ve encouraged to remain anonymous. I will assume responsibility for the ideas expressed. – Ian Shaw, chairperson, The Renewal Fellowship

It would seem that the differing theological and Biblical starting points that have become apparent within the PCC in light of the remits before us indicate that we are confronted not so much with varying points of interpretation within the same faith family, but have actually become differing families altogether. I say this very aware that faith families are often quite broad and diverse in their thinking and understanding, yet are held together by both a common heritage, mutually agreed upon practices and core beliefs.

I have nothing but love and respect for my Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Pentecostal, Baptist etc. brothers and sisters. I can see and appreciate where they are coming from within the Biblical witness and the historic tradition of the church. I have enjoyed and appreciated so very much their ministry in my life, but I understand quite clearly that the theological differences between us and the applications to ministry in the church these differences produce make it quite impossible for us to be organically unified as one faith family. I do not think the Roman Catholics hate women because they do not ordain women; nor do I think any less of my Baptist brothers and sisters because they teach that infant baptism is wrong. I do realize however that we cannot function within the same system of church governance as a faith family because of these varying theological positions.

The remits before us however are not similar to matters in which we can see where each other is coming from within the broad and diverse realities of a faith family. As the Very Rev. John Chalmers, principal clerk of the Church of Scotland stated in their own context on matters of same sex marriage; these matters are ‘a crossing of the Rubicon (The WeeFlea.com May 23,2016)’. David Gushee, who authored the books, ‘Changing Our Minds’ and ‘Leaving Evangelicalism Behind’ and who speaks for full inclusion, states that the issue before us requires us to ‘reconsider the entire body of Biblical interpretation and the tradition related to this issue (David Gushee May 9, 2015 Religion News Service). David Gushee goes on to conclude that ‘I now believe the incommensurable differences in understanding the very meaning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the interpretation of the Bible and the sources and methods of moral discernment separate many of us from our former brethren’. He adds a passing comment that the ‘differences are unbridgeable’.

This is simply where we are at; considering the implementation of doctrine and practice that would take us beyond what two thousand years of Christian tradition and the vast majority of the Christian Church in the world today, albeit incredibly diverse in theology and practice, understand as within the family. It must be noted that the Presbyterians in Brazil, Peru and Mexico have served notice to the PCUSA that their decisions have irreparably fractured their relations and it’s not simply the PCUSA’s Latin American partners saying this, but their middle eastern partners as well. (Onenewsnow.com 2015/08/09). The Church of Ireland has also taken a similar response. ‘The general assembly has decided to no longer accept invitations to attend general assemblies of the Church of Scotland and the United Reformed Church, and to no longer issue invitations to those churches to attend its general assembly (The Irish Times, Wednesday September 18, 2019).’ The article goes on to cite the Clerk of Assembly, Rev Trevor Gribben explaining that “a majority of assembly members felt that both denominations have drifted far from biblical truth in relation to marriage, and were in fact ignoring the authority of scripture”.

The remits claim to be offering freedom of conscience and practise when it comes to ordinations and the practice of marriage, but in reality no such room is being offered. The remits strain out a gnat but expect us to swallow the entire camel. We are not Congregationalists but Presbyterians. We function collegially and it is assumed that we believe in one another’s ordination. We appoint Interim Moderators, do presbytery visitations, share the sacraments with one another and under one another’s ministry. We, therefore, submit ourselves to each other’s ordinations all the time. Presbytery can only function effectively and faithfully when we believe that one another’s ordination derives from an authentic reading of scripture and a Holy Spirit filled life.

As a denomination we do not think it possible to function as a presbytery if some of us do not believe that women ought to be ordained; even as we do not think it possible to function collegially if some of us consider papal authority the highest authority and that presbyteries ought really to be subsumed into bishops. The clerks in the recent ‘Presbyterian Connection’ are quite clear that the liberty of conscience and action in the remits does not extend to considering one another’s ordination invalid. Indeed, they go on to comment that “an important principle of Presbyterian polity is that all are equal in ministry” (Presbyterian Connection, Issue 11, Fall 2019 page 37). These are the very things that are in question. The vast majority of Christians in our world today and the witness of two thousand years of Christian tradition would say these remits propose a divisive course within the Holy Catholic Church.

Moreover, the reality is that the progressives in the denomination perceive these matters of human sexuality as justice issues and are quite convinced in the rightness of their convictions to the extent that despite the denomination’s contemporary adherence to historic Christianity’s understanding of these matters, they do not hesitate to act upon their convictions without any disciplinary repercussions. For example, during the summer the Presbyteries of Niagara and Waterloo Wellington together sustained a call to a minister in a same sex marriage. [Editor’s note: an appeal of that decision is expected to be heard by the Synod of Southwestern Ontario on October 18.]

This same sense of superior insight among these advocates is evidenced consistently in the ordinary operations of the denomination. The rainbow flag flies over opening worship at Assembly! The recent pastoral letter from the Moderator promotes unity by encouraging a vote in favour of the remits. That’s not respectful to either the Barrier Act process or the large number in the denomination who find the decision seriously flawed.

Such things cause one to wonder how long liberty of conscience and practice will last. The Implications Committee at General Assembly was quite clear when they initially stated that all will have to affirm the Pathway ‘B’ decision to remain in this denomination. Nor ought we to misunderstand how so called ‘traditionalists’ are perceived by some progressives in our denomination. I quote from the June 2019 issue of the Broadview, a Presbyterian minister’s comments about the evening at Assembly devoted to listening to one another’s pain over the decision for Pathway ‘B’.

“Yet in this Assembly, … special time was given to hear, again, from powerful, straight, cisgender lobbyists who literally shed tears about “not being heard.”

Is this irony? Gaslighting? I lack the words for it. I felt like I was witnessing slave-masters crying about abolition or men in tears about suffrage”.

Slave masters and men opposed to universal suffrage? These remits do not tell the story about how the traditionalists are perceived and what some progressive presbyters think of their traditionalist colleagues.

Defeating the remits will not heal these deep rifts. Indeed, given the intensity that continues to increase, only faith in an awesome God believes these hurts can be assuaged. However, adopting them will not create hopeful space but strengthen a wall that excludes the orthodox and traditional part of our denomination and effectively leaves them deserted on shore while sailing away to a precarious future.

Renewal Fellowship’s Response to the 2019 Remits

Dear Renewal Friend,

In its 5th sederunt, the 145th General Assembly of The Presbyterian Church in Canada (PCC) approved Pathway “B” as presented by the Special Committee of Former Moderators*. In the 10th sederunt, remits to enable this change in doctrine and practice were approved for consideration under the Barrier Act (see below for the wording of the remits). At our meeting in July, the Renewal Fellowship Board discussed what response we might voice on behalf of the Fellowship. Like many in The PCC, we wrestled with a range of emotions, ideas, and counsel. One dominant response was dismay. We commend the following response to each of you as you ponder and reflect.


“We are grateful to the Special Committee of Former Moderators for their diligence in presenting a report that fulfilled their mandate to offer a way forward. We are also very appreciative of the commissioners who worked hard to word remits that were deeply graceful in their design and intentions.

“However, after serious reflection, the Board agreed to take an unprecedented step, namely to comment on a decision of the General Assembly. We believe the 145th General Assembly’s adoption of Pathway “B” does not arise from authentic Biblical thinking, which is one of our three main goals for renewal in The Presbyterian Church in Canada. We therefore align ourselves with the 91 commissioners who voted against that decision.

“We also therefore cannot support the remits which, if approved through the Barrier Act process, would alter our doctrine and practice to a position not rooted in authentic Biblical thinking.

“As we discussed these actions by Assembly, we expressed regret that so many of the resources within our denomination have been dedicated to this issue to the detriment of other essential gospel ministry. We reaffirmed our intention to continue seeking renewal within The PCC by leading each other to authentic Biblical thinking, powerful Spirit-led prayer, and effective Gospel witness.

“While the Board is of one heart in our love for God, for our denomination, and for each other, we were not of one mind on our response to the actions of Assembly. The absence of full unity, along with the intensity of our convictions, was and remains painful and challenging. The distress we experienced in formulating this response serves as a reminder that in this and in all things, we are called to embrace all our sisters and brothers with the grace and truth found in Jesus.”

Faithfully,

The Board of the Renewal Fellowship

Text of the Remits:

B. That the following be approved and remitted to presbyteries under the Barrier Act: The Presbyterian Church in Canada holds two parallel definitions of marriage and recognizes that faithful, Holy Spirit filled, Christ centred, God honouring people can understand marriage as a covenant relationship between a man and a woman or as a covenant relationship between two adult persons. That congregations, sessions, ruling and teaching elders be granted liberty of conscience and action on marriage.

C. That the following be approved and remitted to presbyteries under the Barrier Act: That congregations and presbyteries may call and ordain as ministers and elect and ordain as ruling elders LGBTQI persons (married or single) with the provision that liberty of conscience and action regarding participation in ordinations, inductions and installations be granted to ministers and ruling elders.

Barrier Act Process:

Presbyteries are now being asked to approve the remits. If a majority of presbyteries approve – and that majority consists of more than half of the total number of presbyters – the matter will go to the 146th General Assembly in June 2020 for final approval.

A PDF format of this document is available here.

* The minutes of the 145th General Assembly can be found at presbyterian.ca/gao/ga2019/ (mid-page).

Tales from Assembly: Why I Dissented

This blog represents the thoughts of the author. While they may reflect the theological position of The Renewal Fellowship, they should not be seen as an official statement.

"Pragmatism or principle" was the duelling dynamic for commissioners as we wrestled with how we would rank the four pathways proposed by the Special Committee of Former Moderators.

For many who hold onto classical theology, only two pathways – 'A' (tradition) and 'C' (three streams) – were seriously considered. 'B' (inclusion) and 'D' (accommodation) were non starters. Many of us didn't want to even include them in our rankings for fear that putting any number beside them might lend support. So, the choice was between 'A' and 'C', with 'A' as the principled choice, the only option that held to the classical, biblical definition of marriage and sexuality. 'C' was the fallback option, as it would have allowed the traditionalists and affirmers to form their own courts and have a third group for the divided congregations.

And so as General Assembly arrived, the emerging consensus on the traditional side was for 'C'. We discussed and debated in private groups late into the evening. Those with mathematical minds developed realistic scenarios and crunched the numbers. The hope for preserving a solid, evangelical wing in the PCC was to put '1' beside 'C' and '2' beside 'A.' The reasoning was that if people on both sides – traditionalists and affirmers – ranked their ballots according to principle (with 'C' as everyone's second choice) that pathway would be eliminated. The belief was that 'A' just didn't have the support to win in the end, even if we all placed it as No. 1. So, putting 'C' first on our ballots would be our best bet at avoiding 'B' or 'D'.

I reluctantly went along with the strategy.

But then, God spoke. As the ballots were being distributed, I received repeated visions of 'A-1' and 'C-2.' With the ballot in front of me, I had no choice but to follow the Holy Spirit's leading.

We know the result: 'B'. Few people were expecting it.

Along with 78 other commissioners, I stood at a mic to register my dissent.

The next morning, in a pre-breakfast prayer gathering, another minister shared the "vision" that he also received, just before the voting, about voting 'A-1' and 'C-2'. I wasn't just me. How many others? The Holy Spirit really was at work.

Notwithstanding principle, the spirit of compromise and pragmatism remained alive at Assembly.

After commissioners formally accepted Pathway 'B', a special Implications Committee drafted remits to go to the wider church. The committee recommended that marriage be defined as a "committed covenant relationship between two adult persons" with liberty of conscience and action for those unwilling to participate in same-sex marriages. But it came with the requirement that those who were opposed to calling non-celibate LGBTQI ministers and elders would have until Sept. 1, 2022 to comply.

Assembly was told by the Implications Committee that while no minister should be forced to change their convictions, if inclusion becomes the doctrine of the church, it follows that those wishing to serve and ministers or elders need to accept it.

(Even in the United Church, 30 years after the acceptance of gay marriage, classical theology is tolerated and no one is forced to comply. As a result, the United Church has a vibrant evangelical wing.)

The draconian deadline did more than just hit evangelicals in the spiritual gut. Sympathetic liberals, many of whom remember their classical leanings, were also taken aback. Almost immediately, amendments were being formulated.

As I pondered the where and when of my inevitable exit from the PCC, a moderate liberal minister approached me with words of consolation. This is not going to work, he said, pointing to the recommendation. The amendment that he had just handed to the Committee on Business – likely to be introduced first thing the next day – would have removed the deadline.

"Thank you," I said.

A few hours later, after a meeting of shell-shocked and exasperated theological traditionalists, I was tipped that a group of younger commissioners were working "cross aisle" – opposing sides working together. “Meet us 7 a.m. tomorrow at Starbucks,” said the message. The next morning, there they were, a half-dozen 20 and 30-somethings crowded around a table in animated conversation. All were Presbyterian ministers, faithful and passionate. They represented a wide theological perspective – from solidly traditional to hardcore affirming. A theological rainbow of sorts.

It was a powerful scene: future moderators, committee convenors, voices of influence – leaders all – motivated to keep the family together. I was moved.

"Thank you," I told them. "Love you guys." I meant it.

Two hours later, two of them stood at a mic, amendment in hand. Older commissioners, whose amendments and motions were first in line, gave way.

For the coalition of young ministers, this was their moment. In true diplomatic fashion, with peacemakers' hearts, a deal was forged, and a majority of commissioners were convinced to vote in favour.

And yet, despite my sentiments, I couldn't support it. I voted “no”. I stood at a mic and, with 19 others, I dissented once again.

Could I not see history in the making? Could I not feel the magic? Do I not believe in the enterprise of the human soul? Oh, heartless man.

Principle poked me once again.

My reason at the time for voting "no" was pretty simple. "Christ is not divided," were my words now entered into the minutes. "His church's doctrine should similarly not be divided. Marriage cannot have two contrary understandings and definitions."

A week later, I've had time to unpack it. I'm like a car buyer who had a week-long post-Assembly test drive and has found a ton of alarm bells.

  • The parallel understanding of marriage is faulty logic. Parallel definitions may be acceptable when you're dealing with two different uses of the same word: crane, date, foil, engaged, point and right. All have two or more different meanings depending on their use. But marriage has a singular use, so it cannot have two meanings.
  • The use of the word "parallel" doesn't make sense. It's a mockery of an otherwise useful literary technique. It's fine to say "He likes to hunt and work with tools. He also likes to read." Both are true and are not mutually exclusive. But it makes no sense to say, "Marriage is between a man and a woman. Marriage is also between two adult persons." Which is it?
  • "Covenant relationship between two adult persons" is unbiblical, plain and simple.
  • There's tenuous theological justification of same-gender sex. That's being generous.
  • And what's next? The precedent would be set, and there would be little reason to stop the same theology from creeping into other essential doctrine.
  • "Two adult persons" doesn't adhere to gender complementarity.
  • There's the statement in the marriage definition remit that "faithful, Holy Spirit filled, Christ centred, God honouring people can understand marriage as …". I'm still puzzling over that. If two people are truly filled with the Holy Spirit, then how can each hold different definitions of such a sacred institution? Same goes for two people who are truly centred on Christ, who are walking according to His Word and who truly honour God. As I stated in my dissent, "Christ is not divided."
  • It's people-centred, not God-centred. It's the antithesis of divine revelation, which is the antidote to fallen culture. Even Jesus didn't trust human nature. It's a poor reason to change our doctrine.
  • It's a cop out. Has anyone considered how this debate might appear to the secular world? While there may be some who see this as accommodating and open minded – which are cornerstones in our diverse and pluralistic world – we forget that the world looks to the church for answers. All I hear these days is that millennials, raised and bathed in a sea of relativism, are looking for truth. They turn to the church, and rather than a solid answer, they get multiple choice.
  • It's a textbook public-relations non-answer: neither black nor white, just an evasive, catch-all that reminds me of the answer the chief priests and the scribes gave when Jesus asked them if John's baptism was from heaven or from man: " 'If we say it was from heaven, he will ask why we didn't believe John. But if we say it was merely human, the people will stone us because they are convinced John was a prophet.' So they finally replied that they didn't know." (Luke 20:5b-7 NLT.)

Bottom line: It's a lemon and there's no warranty.

I ran into one of the young coffee caucus leaders today, and I wanted to tell him why I voted against their bold, denomination-saving compromise. Nothing personal, I said. I admire what you did. But please understand that I had to stick to principle.

As much as I want to present the PCC as a united body to an unbelieving world and to demonstrate that we can be friends and work together for a common goal despite our differences, I know that it's really only a human sentiment. It's not supported by a solid spiritual foundation. And if it doesn't have the Holy Spirit's blessing, it will not stand.

Buyer, beware.

Resources for the PCC Human Sexuality Discussions

The Presbytery of Hamilton hosted a day-long forum entitled “Speaking Truth in Love: A Forum on Human Sexuality” on Saturday, January 30th, 2016, at Chedoke Presbyterian Church, Hamilton, Ontario. Some of the transcripts from this forum are available.

Setting the Tone – Rev. Dr. Clyde Ervine

How are we to talk respectfully and honestly about our deeply held differences? Examining the teaching of Scripture together in a way that is civil, gracious, and generous.

The transcript of this presentation is posted here.

Presenting the Traditional Position – Rev. Dr. Kevin Livingston

(i) How has he come to the view he has on human sexuality in the light of the biblical witness?
(ii) What does a biblical theology of human sexuality and marriage look like?
(iii) How does Scripture point the way to how this is all to be worked out in the leadership and ministry of the church?

The transcript of this presentation is posted here.

Responding to the Revisionist Position – Rev. Karla Wubbenhorst

The transcript of this presentation is posted here.

Here is a reflection from a pastor in Quebec on his viewing of the video from the day at Chedoke:

    If my Session is any indication, I would say that the Hamilton debate has now effectively replaced Body, Mind and Soul as the denominational reference point/benchmark for our discussion on this subject. After three months, I am the only person in the congregation who has actually read B.M.&S., despite all my prodding in that direction. It is a tedious and tendentious bit of work – and in the wrong medium to engage the debate/discussion it calls for. The prospect of organizing a congregational study day around it had zero appeal to folks here. But there would/will be a crowd to watch the Hamilton five go at it (respectfully) and to use that as a basis for our own discussion. My hunch is that is also about where the Presbytery of Montreal is. It has taken us awhile to work up any enthusiasm to re-engage this subject. But a study day is now planned for April.

One of the prime organizers of the Forum summarizes the day this way:

    The direction of the day in Hamilton was to respect people holding different views as followers of Jesus Christ and to biblically engage their understanding of human sexuality in a spirit that valued their contribution albeit disagreeing with it. To that end Kevin, Hugh, Karla, Wes, and Clyde offered me and, I believe, the PCC a positive model of the respectful dialogue this discussion deserves.

Print Resources for the PCC Human Sexuality Discussions

There has been a request for resources that come from an evangelical/conservative point of view. Here are a few that have been forwarded to us by members and board members of the Renewal Fellowship. We welcome your comments and suggestions on these resources and any others you would suggest. Please email Linda Shaw, Board chairperson, at <ianandlindashaw@gmail.com>.

A Letter from the Committee on Church Doctrine: This commentary is in response to the Body, Mind and Soul Study Guide. Responses may be sent directly to the Convener of the Committee on Church Doctrine, The Rev. Ian Shaw, at <rianshaw48@gmail.com>, or forwarded to the Committee through the General Assembly Office.

Speaking Truth in Love: A Forum on Human Sexuality: The Presbytery of Hamilton hosted this day-long forum on Saturday, January 30th, 2016, at Chedoke Presbyterian Church, Hamilton, Ontario. Besides the videos, there are transcripts of presentations by Clyde Ervine, Kevin Livingston, Hugh Donnelly, Wes Denyer, and Karla Wubbenhorst.

Channels Articles: 13 articles on human sexuality have appeared on this site in the past. Read More

Print Resources:

Links following the titles are where e-books or hard copies may be purchased.

What does the Bible Really Teach about Homosexuality? – Kevin DeYoung [ Google ] [ Amazon ]

Turning Controversy Into Church Ministry: A Christlike Response to Homosexuality – W.P. Campbell [ Google ] [ Amazon ]

The Uncomfortable Church: Can Gays Be Reconciled to the Body of Christ? – Dr. Lawrence Brice [ Amazon ]

Washed And Waiting: Relections On Christian Faithfulness And Homosexuality – Wesley Hill [ Google ] [ Amazon ]

Creation and Covenant: The Significance of Sexual Difference in the Moral Theology of Marriage – Christopher Roberts [ Google ] [ Amazon ]

The Bible and Homosexual Practice: Text and Hermeneutics – Robert Gagnon [ Abingdon Press ] [ Free materials on the author's website ] [ Amazon ]

Straight and Narrow? Compassion and Clarity in the Homosexual Debate – Thomas E Schmidt [ Google ] [ Amazon ]